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Black Magic MR
03-06-2008, 20:46
I plan on going either Saturday or Sunday depending on the weather. Still have my snow tires on but I will probably get booted so I don't feel like driving all the way to craptiol or mir. Anyone else down for MD?
Are you sure you're going to get the boot? lol
It's raining this weekend man.
Black Magic MR
03-06-2008, 21:12
sunday is supposed to be 39 and clear. I can run 11.5 fo sho.
We'll see...if you dont. I'm going to throw you the "w" bomb.
boost>women
03-06-2008, 21:28
is it TT on saturday too? if so, ill go.
Black Magic MR
03-06-2008, 21:41
test and tune? yes.
What was your last 1/4 ET? Why bother going just to get kicked out? Put a cage in that sucker, then run. :)
I got some projects this weekend, so I won't be going. Maybe in a few months, when the other turbo install is done.
Black Magic MR
03-06-2008, 23:59
What was your last 1/4 ET? Why bother going just to get kicked out? Put a cage in that sucker, then run. :)
I got some projects this weekend, so I won't be going. Maybe in a few months, when the other turbo install is done.
12.0 on stock turbo, 348whp/355wtq with crappy stock turbo powerband.
RallyRedMR
03-07-2008, 08:27
im down to go to film! my sponsor prohibits me drag racing again.:p.
boost>women
03-07-2008, 09:46
IM going tomarrow if the weather is good.
Black Magic MR
03-07-2008, 15:29
IM going tomarrow if the weather is good.
same but it doesn't look good. sunday seems more realistic.
boost>women
03-07-2008, 16:48
Im probly going to capitol sunday.
12.0 on stock turbo, 348whp/355wtq with crappy stock turbo powerband.
Damn. Nice job. An 11.5 definitely seems attainable with the big power bump you got from the turbo kit.
^Yeah...but driver matters too (launching, shifting, etc.). It's not all about dyno numbers.
I will be going with Anthony on Sunday most likely.
Black Magic MR
03-07-2008, 20:08
^Yeah...but driver matters too (launching, shifting, etc.). It's not all about dyno numbers.
I have that portion under control ;)
What's your best ET and 60-foot to date?
how is the manifold working out now.
12.0 on stock turbo, 348whp/355wtq with crappy stock turbo powerband.
o word !!!
Black Magic MR
03-08-2008, 14:44
how is the manifold working out now.
rock steady boost thanks for helping me out guys
Black Magic MR
03-09-2008, 17:58
R/T ... .130
60' ... 1.87
330 ... 5.041
1/8 ... 7.321 @ 94.41 MPH
1000 ... 9.566
1/4 ... 11.477 @ 116.65 MPH
Pump Gas, 23 psi in 3rd gear (24 or 25 in 4th and 5th). Full weight 6 speed.
I could not get traction to save my life.
40 psi on snow tires + 6k 2 step (15 psi) = sideways fun. I had to let completely off on 3 runs because the wall and I were about to become very good friends. I had the wheel fully locked and counter steering and I still could not ride out first. I lowered the tires to 30 psi all around and put the 2 step at 5500 and found a bit of traction and managed to get a 1.87 spinning my balls off but at least in a semi straight fashion rather than sideways back and forth. I have never seen anyone in an Evo get out of the hole like I was today. This wasn't wheel hop or lack of traction, it was 600 whp Cobra on street tires spinning :eek:
whack....why didnt you lower your tire pressure down more fruitboy. Snow tires have hard sidewall so they're pretty good. I had good luck with snow tires before. Your trap should be a little higher even though your spinning. I'm guessing you were on NLS like crazy LOL. Anyhow, quick car...I wanted to go but I had a killa hang over.
Black Magic MR
03-09-2008, 18:24
whack....why didnt you lower your tire pressure down more fruitboy. Snow tires have hard sidewall so they're pretty good. I had good luck with snow tires before. Your trap should be a little higher even though your spinning. I'm guessing you were on NLS like crazy LOL. Anyhow, quick car...I wanted to go but I had a killa hang over.
o word? I didn't have that trackside support your gay ass always gets. I know some people have had luck with snow tires but god damn I couldn't go straight no matter what I did. whack.
Black Magic MR
03-09-2008, 18:25
snow tires?
dunlop wintersport 3ds.
Nice job, Jordan -- especially on the 7.3 1/8 mile. Your trap looks low compared to the 1/8 mile trap, but the shift into 5th probably isn't helping on that. I also wonder how optimal your tune is now that your boost is lower up top? It may be in a different load range in the upper RPMs than where it was when it was tuned.
That 6 speed trans is a beyotch. I can't shift fast enough the gears are so close together, last year I went for 4th, and slid into 6th instead, thought I had blew it up, shifted it outta 6th , then back in, pulled a 11.91, with a 1.8 60ft. It was crap tastic. On the street I just couldn't keep up with the constant banging, and going to 5th was grrr.
Rally Red Monster
03-09-2008, 19:23
His 1/8 trap is low because I bet he shifted right on the 1/8 and I'm pretty sure that shift into 5th killed the 1/4 trap. Nice run regardless.
His 1/8 trap is low because I bet he shifted right on the 1/8 and I'm pretty sure that shift into 5th killed the 1/4 trap. Nice run regardless.
6 speed FTL?
Black Magic MR
03-09-2008, 19:25
Nice job, Jordan -- especially on the 7.3 1/8 mile. Your trap looks low compared to the 1/8 mile trap, but the shift into 5th probably isn't helping on that. I also wonder how optimal your tune is now that your boost is lower up top? It may be in a different load range in the upper RPMs than where it was when it was tuned.
Thanks Rich. I wonder the same thing. I did make a few adjustments to my timing map but my laptop didn't have enough battery for me to log all my runs. The map is probably not optimal and there are at least .1 or .2 seconds as well as a mph or two to be had from that. The shift into 5th was killing me. On that run I rode 4th out for too long (7500-7600) and by the time I went to shift into 5th I was almost across the traps. I haven't figured out the fastest way between 4-5 yet but I'm happy with the results.
good run just find way to get traction and u should be good, but like everyone else said that 6 speed is killing u.
12.0 on stock turbo, 348whp/355wtq with crappy stock turbo powerband.
you just cant drive lol i ran 11.56 at 122mph sorry it must be my fruity pebbles scented alky lol :D
Warrtalon
03-09-2008, 20:42
I have that portion under control ;)
The results say otherwise. It's not easy to drive a car with that much power, especially when you never raced it with any normal level of power.
40psi in your tires is absolutely retarded - that just makes no sense.
Speed, snow tires can be good, because they have SOFT sidewalls, not hard sidewalls. Hard sidewalls are bad for drag racing, which is why track-type tires (i.e. OEM Advans) are not good for drag, but all-seasons and snow tires do alright due to their shitty soft sidewalls. However, they can also be dangerous with a lot of power.
Even a shift to 5th would not kill power that much. The driving demonstrated here would have maybe been good for a 12.0 with that trap speed, so this car should have trapped over 120 easily. Even with a shift to 5th, that would only make a slight difference. I know, because every run I've done at altitude has required a shift to 5th, and I did plenty at sea level trying to hit 11s - my traps were off by 1mph or so. Something else is happening up top killing the power.
MadMsheen
03-10-2008, 07:42
The 4th to 5th shift might be taking too long, and dropping him below his spool range. Jordan might have better luck shorting 4th and riding 5th through the traps. It's not going to be easy with the 6 speed considering that 4th to 5th is a bitch with a truck-like throw.
Are you using the NLTS?
Black Magic MR
03-10-2008, 13:21
The results say otherwise. It's not easy to drive a car with that much power, especially when you never raced it with any normal level of power.
40psi in your tires is absolutely retarded - that just makes no sense.
Speed, snow tires can be good, because they have SOFT sidewalls, not hard sidewalls. Hard sidewalls are bad for drag racing, which is why track-type tires (i.e. OEM Advans) are not good for drag, but all-seasons and snow tires do alright due to their shitty soft sidewalls. However, they can also be dangerous with a lot of power.
Even a shift to 5th would not kill power that much. The driving demonstrated here would have maybe been good for a 12.0 with that trap speed, so this car should have trapped over 120 easily. Even with a shift to 5th, that would only make a slight difference. I know, because every run I've done at altitude has required a shift to 5th, and I did plenty at sea level trying to hit 11s - my traps were off by 1mph or so. Something else is happening up top killing the power.
You are delusional my friend. The driving demonstrated here was good for an 11.477 @ 116.65 MPH. Nothing more, nothing less. I sat behind the wheel and made the car go down the track in eleven and a half seconds. The car did some of the work for me, but it did let me down on the big end of the track. I was getting some knock in 4th and 5th gear which was caused by my balance shaft belt becoming very very loose. The knock was not tuning related and wasn't caused by excessive boost or fouled plugs but something completely out of my control. I use 40 psi on the street for my snows to stiffen them up a bit and was excited to run so I made no adjustments to the car and just started making passes. There is a steep learning curve on driving a car with this much power, especially considering it was only my 2nd trip to the dragstrip ever, 1st time ever launching my exedy twin, and 1st time launching the car with the turbo kit. Luckily, it's really not that difficult to drive the car decently and not too much harder to drive it well. Also remember this is my daily driver and my only car so I would prefer not to cause any excessive wear for an extra .1 of a second to impress you King Warrtalon. Your experience with the 6 speed is pretty extensive but you never made any passes with an aftermarket turbo powerband. It may or may not play a much bigger role than on the stock turbo, you never know. Also, the trap speeds were off all day at the track. I have a few passes where I had 75 mph on my slip when I crossed at almost 120. That is not why the trap speed is so low though, it is from knock on the big end and my lower boost levels.
Seyla yes I was using NLTS except on some runs 1-2 (not this run) because holding all the boost and getting a quick shift off was causing me to stay sideways.
MadMsheen
03-10-2008, 13:30
Seyla yes I was using NLTS except on some runs 1-2 (not this run) because holding all the boost and getting a quick shift off was causing me to stay sideways.
That's one problem I wouldn't mind having. I've heard that people are usin around 25 psi at the track for tire pressure. You might want to give that a shot to see if it helps.
I hear you on taking it easy on the car, though. I really wouldn't want to crush my tranny for time.
I was getting some knock in 4th and 5th gear which was caused by my balance shaft belt becoming very very loose.
How do you know that your balance shaft belt was loose?
That's one problem I wouldn't mind having. I've heard that people are usin around 25 psi at the track for tire pressure. You might want to give that a shot to see if it helps.
I hear you on taking it easy on the car, though. I really wouldn't want to crush my tranny for time.
I got a 6 speed waitin for both of yeah.. one of ya will need it ;)
Black Magic MR
03-10-2008, 13:39
How do you know that your balance shaft belt was loose?
Can feel and hear it, tons of knock above 3500 RPM (where the balance shaft is supposed to reduce harmonics) at any load above 80ish, it was loose when I checked it 2,000 miles ago and we tightened it but it seems to be very very loose it might have even snapped this time :(
Black Magic MR
03-10-2008, 13:41
That's one problem I wouldn't mind having. I've heard that people are usin around 25 psi at the track for tire pressure. You might want to give that a shot to see if it helps.
I hear you on taking it easy on the car, though. I really wouldn't want to crush my tranny for time.
Especially when I've already had one go bad on me.
Can feel and hear it, tons of knock above 3500 RPM (where the balance shaft is supposed to reduce harmonics) at any load above 80ish, it was loose when I checked it 2,000 miles ago and we tightened it but it seems to be very very loose it might have even snapped this time :(
How many miles on your car?
Black Magic MR
03-10-2008, 13:58
How many miles on your car?
Just passed 14k
You are delusional my friend. The driving demonstrated here was good for an 11.477 @ 116.65 MPH. Nothing more, nothing less. I sat behind the wheel and made the car go down the track in eleven and a half seconds. The car did some of the work for me, but it did let me down on the big end of the track. I was getting some knock in 4th and 5th gear which was caused by my balance shaft belt becoming very very loose. The knock was not tuning related and wasn't caused by excessive boost or fouled plugs but something completely out of my control. I use 40 psi on the street for my snows to stiffen them up a bit and was excited to run so I made no adjustments to the car and just started making passes. There is a steep learning curve on driving a car with this much power, especially considering it was only my 2nd trip to the dragstrip ever, 1st time ever launching my exedy twin, and 1st time launching the car with the turbo kit. Luckily, it's really not that difficult to drive the car decently and not too much harder to drive it well. Also remember this is my daily driver and my only car so I would prefer not to cause any excessive wear for an extra .1 of a second to impress you King Warrtalon. Your experience with the 6 speed is pretty extensive but you never made any passes with an aftermarket turbo powerband. It may or may not play a much bigger role than on the stock turbo, you never know. Also, the trap speeds were off all day at the track. I have a few passes where I had 75 mph on my slip when I crossed at almost 120. That is not why the trap speed is so low though, it is from knock on the big end and my lower boost levels.
Seyla yes I was using NLTS except on some runs 1-2 (not this run) because holding all the boost and getting a quick shift off was causing me to stay sideways.
Haha, trying not to cause excessive wear? Horse shit. How do you blow up a 6 speed trans on a car with only 14,000 miles when you're not straining it? Sorry, there's no punch line for that one. :rolleyes:
And, stop attacking Warrtalon. I don't always agree with what he says, but there's no reason to assume that he wants you to strain the car to make an extra .1 to impress him, nor is there any reason to call him delusional. Even RichJ said your trap looks low, and you didn't jump down his throat.
You're not making ridiculous power. You have a turbo that's making a bit more than a IX turbo would with alky, but on pump. Your power curve is very smooth and linear with no abrupt jumps and should be very controllable. If you can get traction (read: better tires and better launch), you should be able to slip gears and keep it pretty well given that you have a twin disc. I'm sure you'll make a better time next time you go if you get the balance shaft issue taken care of.
Black Magic MR
03-10-2008, 17:57
Haha, trying not to cause excessive wear? Horse shit. How do you blow up a 6 speed trans on a car with only 14,000 miles when you're not straining it? Sorry, there's no punch line for that one. :rolleyes:
And, stop attacking Warrtalon. I don't always agree with what he says, but there's no reason to assume that he wants you to strain the car to make an extra .1 to impress him, nor is there any reason to call him delusional. Even RichJ said your trap looks low, and you didn't jump down his throat.
You're not making ridiculous power. You have a turbo that's making a bit more than a IX turbo would with alky, but on pump. Your power curve is very smooth and linear with no abrupt jumps and should be very controllable. If you can get traction (read: better tires and better launch), you should be able to slip gears and keep it pretty well given that you have a twin disc. I'm sure you'll make a better time next time you go if you get the balance shaft issue taken care of.
James,
I have been trying not to cause any more headaches for myself when it comes to the 6 speed transmission. I did alot of road racing on 2 very hot days and drove the car pretty hard with OEM Fluid and I did some damage to the trans. The entire thing wasn't ruined, I spent a few hundred bucks and got it repaired. It's called a lesson learned the hard way and I would prefer not to learn it again.
As far as Warrtalon goes it seems pretty obvious that anytime I do anything he is right there with his 2 cents. I know Rich personally and he is a very nice guy. Although I do not know Clay I have gathered from his online persona that he loathes me to a very deep extent. His input is never helpful towards me and is usually very demeaning. He is delusional. I can attack him all I want just like he can do the same to me. Don't get in the middle.
I know I'm not making ridiculous power and never claimed to. Please don't tell me what a IX Turbo with Alky makes because as you know I had that setup maxed out and it made 70 less WHP than my current setup does on just pump with a much less aggressive power band.
My trap was so low because the car had quite a bit of knock after the 1/8th mile. That is where the turbo kit would have shone over a stock turbo in continuing to pull hard in 4th and 5th gear but it didn't because of the aforementioned issue.
Like I said my driving is not the issue here and I'm sure I can get a much better time when I get everything in order. Did you ever find out the answer to my question that we were discussion on EvoM PM?
James,
I have been trying not to cause any more headaches for myself when it comes to the 6 speed transmission. I did alot of road racing on 2 very hot days and drove the car pretty hard with OEM Fluid and I did some damage to the trans. The entire thing wasn't ruined, I spent a few hundred bucks and got it repaired. It's called a lesson learned the hard way and I would prefer not to learn it again.
As far as Warrtalon goes it seems pretty obvious that anytime I do anything he is right there with his 2 cents. I know Rich personally and he is a very nice guy. Although I do not know Clay I have gathered from his online persona that he loathes me to a very deep extent. His input is never helpful towards me and is usually very demeaning. He is delusional. I can attack him all I want just like he can do the same to me. Don't get in the middle.
I know I'm not making ridiculous power and never claimed to. Please don't tell me what a IX Turbo with Alky makes because as you know I had that setup maxed out and it made 70 less WHP than my current setup does on just pump with a much less aggressive power band.
My trap was so low because the car had quite a bit of knock after the 1/8th mile. That is where the turbo kit would have shone over a stock turbo in continuing to pull hard in 4th and 5th gear but it didn't because of the aforementioned issue.
Like I said my driving is not the issue here and I'm sure I can get a much better time when I get everything in order. Did you ever find out the answer to my question that we were discussion on EvoM PM?
Weird, I heard you got a new trans, not just repaired.
I dunno how Clay feels about you personally, but I'm one of the few people who has met both you and Clay. And Betty. And Betty comes off very brash, arrogant, and sometimes irritating online. But I will say that offline he's a pretty calm, funny, and easy to be around guy. Warrtalon is the same. Just saying, he may be coming off wrong online 'cause you don't know him. I'm not saying you can't attack him, or vice versa, but I'm sick and tired of all this insult flinging drama.
Bottom line is, both of you are pretty passionate about the evo and it pisses me off to see 2 people who share the same hobby at each other's throats over stupid horse shit. That's a big factor in why I bought a second VR4 instead of a second evo ... the evo world has been high school all over again and to be quite honest if it wasn't so darn useful being a 4 door and all wheel drive, I'd have ditched it 6-12 months ago. :(
I wasn't trying to insult your setup. It's pretty damn good for a street car and it's 100whp more than I'm making right now too. A friend who had a IX turbo installed and ran straight pump did nearly 350whp on DTM's MD at around 26psi. I think with alky he could get a good bit more (20 easy, 40 maybe) by running 30-32psi and more tuning.
Understood about the trap speed. I didn't say your driving was the issue, you worked on my car, I'm very familiar with knock killing power. Like I said, I'm sure you'll do better next time when you get the issue(s) taken care of. :)
And for EvoM, I sent you a reply days ago .... looks like March 7th. :cool:
derangedazn
03-10-2008, 19:42
I just wanted to post in this thread for the sake of posting. I feel ya James...my online persona is a guy who knows nothing about cars...but my real persona is a guy who still doesnt know anything about cars and likes to makes jokes about not knowing much.
Black Magic MR
03-10-2008, 20:16
Weird, I heard you got a new trans, not just repaired.
I dunno how Clay feels about you personally, but I'm one of the few people who has met both you and Clay. And Betty. And Betty comes off very brash, arrogant, and sometimes irritating online. But I will say that offline he's a pretty calm, funny, and easy to be around guy. Warrtalon is the same. Just saying, he may be coming off wrong online 'cause you don't know him. I'm not saying you can't attack him, or vice versa, but I'm sick and tired of all this insult flinging drama.
Bottom line is, both of you are pretty passionate about the evo and it pisses me off to see 2 people who share the same hobby at each other's throats over stupid horse shit. That's a big factor in why I bought a second VR4 instead of a second evo ... the evo world has been high school all over again and to be quite honest if it wasn't so darn useful being a 4 door and all wheel drive, I'd have ditched it 6-12 months ago. :(
I wasn't trying to insult your setup. It's pretty damn good for a street car and it's 100whp more than I'm making right now too. A friend who had a IX turbo installed and ran straight pump did nearly 350whp on DTM's MD at around 26psi. I think with alky he could get a good bit more (20 easy, 40 maybe) by running 30-32psi and more tuning.
Understood about the trap speed. I didn't say your driving was the issue, you worked on my car, I'm very familiar with knock killing power. Like I said, I'm sure you'll do better next time when you get the issue(s) taken care of. :)
And for EvoM, I sent you a reply days ago .... looks like March 7th. :cool:
Mike Ko gave me his trans while mine was repaired by AndrewTech and given back to him to eliminate downtime on my car. You said if you hadn't already paid for it that you would pay me. I may need to build my motor so I'm trying to get funds together :(
Black Magic MR
03-10-2008, 20:19
Weird, I heard you got a new trans, not just repaired.
I dunno how Clay feels about you personally, but I'm one of the few people who has met both you and Clay. And Betty. And Betty comes off very brash, arrogant, and sometimes irritating online. But I will say that offline he's a pretty calm, funny, and easy to be around guy. Warrtalon is the same. Just saying, he may be coming off wrong online 'cause you don't know him. I'm not saying you can't attack him, or vice versa, but I'm sick and tired of all this insult flinging drama.
Bottom line is, both of you are pretty passionate about the evo and it pisses me off to see 2 people who share the same hobby at each other's throats over stupid horse shit. That's a big factor in why I bought a second VR4 instead of a second evo ... the evo world has been high school all over again and to be quite honest if it wasn't so darn useful being a 4 door and all wheel drive, I'd have ditched it 6-12 months ago.
You are right. I have been done with shop drama. I no longer have the energy or desire to even think about who the best shop is or who won this event or who ran faster blah blah blah. All I did was post my results and Clay quotes me saying I can drive and says my results show otherwise and begins to harass me. I never ever go into threads and call him out. It is usually Warr who throws the first punch in the arguments.
You are right. I have been done with shop drama. I no longer have the energy or desire to even think about who the best shop is or who won this event or who ran faster blah blah blah. All I did was post my results and Clay quotes me saying I can drive and says my results show otherwise and begins to harass me. I never ever go into threads and call him out. It is usually Warr who throws the first punch in the arguments.
Trust me, completely understood. But remember, I defended you back when he was saying you'd wreck the car at your first track event, and you didn't. I'm not trying to say you're wrong for poking back, or he was justified in poking in the first place. I'm trying to say, ignore it, and it'll go away (or just block him via User CP), rather than who's right or who's wrong or who started what. It's like the pissed off parent when both kids get in trouble. You tell them both to go to their rooms, it doesn't matter who did what, you just want it calm and quiet. :)
Mike Ko gave me his trans while mine was repaired by AndrewTech and given back to him to eliminate downtime on my car. You said if you hadn't already paid for it that you would pay me. I may need to build my motor so I'm trying to get funds together :(
Oh cool, that was nice of Mike. Agreed, if I didn't pay you for it, obviously I will. I gave pricing and reasoning and options over on EvoM PM, as well as asking you for more info. Shoot me back a message there. Believe me, I feel you on building motors, cause I blew one last year and I'm selling evo parts to get out of show and to fix up the other car too. ;)
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