Ran at Cecil tonight

[boostingevo8]

Well this was my first time at the track in over a year. This was also my first time lauching an AWD vehicle at the track also.....

I think I could have hit a 12.7 or so but my 60' ft wasn't there

R/T: .603
60': 1.899
330: 5.437
1/8: 8.341
MPH: 85.68
1000: 10.885
1/4: 13.002
MPH: 107.19

I only got 1 run in cause it was late when I arrived and then cars had problems leaking fluids on the track, etc.....
I failed to lauch on the 3rd yellow but felt as if my lauch was decent.....but if I had gotten a 1.7 60ft wouldn't I have been around a 12.7 or so? The weather was so cool...kinda wish I had gotten in that 2nd run....but guess it's not too bad for not ever having launched any AWD vehicle at the track in the past.

Really need to get a better 60ft for sure.
Peace

[RichJ]

Launching an AWD is not a piece of cake if you haven't done it before. I had a similar experience the one time I took my car to the strip, although I was trying to be nice to the clutch and transfer case at the same time.

It's good to get datapoints on trap speeds vs. dyno numbers for the new dyno in town, since even with a mediocre 60 ft your trap speed doesn't change that much. Was everything on the car the same as when you dynoed 284 at DTM?

[boostingevo8]

Launching an AWD is not a piece of cake if you haven't done it before. I had a similar experience the one time I took my car to the strip, although I was trying to be nice to the clutch and transfer case at the same time.

It's good to get datapoints on trap speeds vs. dyno numbers for the new dyno in town, since even with a mediocre 60 ft your trap speed doesn't change that much. Was everything on the car the same as when you dynoed 284 at DTM?

Thanks Rich...... nothing has changed since my dyno but my launch was kinda "unprepared" as I was looking at my friend who was staging also and then all of the sudden light is green.......so I didn't get to launch as well as I could have.....think my boost was around 6psi.
I don't plan to doing much drag racing but I am going to return next Friday to get alteast two runs and improve my trap speed since 107mph is not that great!

[DTM Michael]

Thanks Rich...... nothing has changed since my dyno but my launch was kinda "unprepared" as I was looking at my friend who was staging also and then all of the sudden light is green.......so I didn't get to launch as well as I could have.....think my boost was around 6psi.
I don't plan to doing much drag racing but I am going to return next Friday to get alteast two runs and improve my trap speed since 107mph is not that great!


"focus daniel san"
Mr. Miyagi

When drag racing you always look at the light and not your competitor. It is a mistake that everyone has done. I have redlit many times because my neighbor started too early. I could have won the race by default, but what is the fun in that?

The launch is critical to the ET's because if you bog the car the power the momentum won't be there for second gear. If you got a lightened flywheel or twin plate clutch it gets even trickier due to loss mass in the flywheel. You will need to launch even higher too get a good start.

From my years of drag racing at NOPI X Box Cup with my FWD 900 HP Honda MPH is most affected when you bog the launch. Since it was your only run that night I would practice a little more. Try not to use the two step next time, launch at 6k, shift no higher than 6800 in first and second and see what happens.

My 2 cents.

Michael

[nastea]

i use to launch at 6k, slip the clutch real good (had twin exedy) and i could come out the box at 1.63 (my personal best) drag racing is more skill than it is car. it looks easy when your sitting in the stands but..

thats a pretty good run. your r/t could have been better, leave when you see the 3rd yellow :) thats what i did, usually got .1x r/t

[boostingevo8]

i use to launch at 6k, slip the clutch real good (had twin exedy) and i could come out the box at 1.63 (my personal best) drag racing is more skill than it is car. it looks easy when your sitting in the stands but..

thats a pretty good run. your r/t could have been better, leave when you see the 3rd yellow :) thats what i did, usually got .1x r/t

Totally true....I had butterflies as soon as I pulled onto the track. I know the car has a 12.70...it's running awesome and feels great thanks to the DTM crew :D If I had gotten another run I am sure I would have dipped into the 12's once I got that initial 1st run jitters out of the way.

I am happy nevertheless with the run and my evo......and most importantly, had a good time! Although, me and my friend Marcus was the only two EVOS there last night. We searched too but found none...there was a beautiful twin turbo GT2 porches that ran like an 11.7 with about an additional 100 whp in MODS.

Peace....DCEVO cookout is right around the corner..woot!

[Warrtalon]

Yes, you can hit a 12 with a better launch, but the 107mph trap means the car is slow. You say it's running well, but if it really were, you'd be trapping around 111-112 regardless of the launch. Also, Cecil is a ridiculously fast track compared to others. It's only one run, though. No one comes right out of the box on their first try ever and does well, so don't fret. However, when you go back, do not wish for 2 runs...you need to go when you can get 5+ runs. 2 is not enough to even get warmed up...

[boostingevo8]

Yes, you can hit a 12 with a better launch, but the 107mph trap means the car is slow. You say it's running well, but if it really were, you'd be trapping around 111-112 regardless of the launch. Also, Cecil is a ridiculously fast track compared to others. It's only one run, though. No one comes right out of the box on their first try ever and does well, so don't fret. However, when you go back, do not wish for 2 runs...you need to go when you can get 5+ runs. 2 is not enough to even get warmed up...

Next time I am sure the trap speed will increase......that's my first run in like over a year......

Yes I plan to arrive early this Wensday and try to beat the crowd for the first two runs. Next time if my trap speed is 107 then I too will agree with it being slow.....atleast give me more than 1 run without a year's time in between! As mike was saying too I waited too long to shift in my early gears as both 1st and 2nd I went over 7k.....but like you said it takes practice. I also need better cams......

[Warrtalon]

Trap speed doesn't randomly increase. ET is affected moreso, but trap speed is pretty consistent, regardless of how often you drag race. 107 is slow no matter what, unless you think you'll gain 5mph just from better driving. I trapped 106.3 with just an SAFC, FYI.

[boostingevo8]

Trap speed doesn't randomly increase. ET is affected moreso, but trap speed is pretty consistent, regardless of how often you drag race. 107 is slow no matter what, unless you think you'll gain 5mph just from better driving. I trapped 106.3 with just an SAFC, FYI.

I'll be sure to save my slips! But how can you say it won't increase when it was only 1 run? I have no toher run to compare too? Now had a got a 2nd run and only trapped 107 or less well then I'd be saying the same thing!

Warr I said the car was running great because it ran like CRAP prior to having my car retuned. The statement really wasn't directed at my car's power but overall driveability.

[boostingevo8]

Edited.

[The Chosen One]

i'm sure you'll do better next time ken ;) hope i can get there next wednesday and have a little race :D

[boostingevo8]

i'm sure you'll do better next time ken ;) hope i can get there next wednesday and have a little race :D

That would be nice but according to what I was your top end is nice there buddy......
Only thing is that Cecil would be a hike for you man.....about 1 hour from you to me than another 50 minutes to Cecil. Although if you can handle the commute let's have some fun.....we aren't too far apart power wise so a 1/4 mile dual would be fun for sure. If we could hit MIR which is closer to you that would be doable also.
Peace

[Dynoflash]

Trap speed doesn't randomly increase. ET is affected moreso, but trap speed is pretty consistent, regardless of how often you drag race. 107 is slow no matter what, unless you think you'll gain 5mph just from better driving. I trapped 106.3 with just an SAFC, FYI.


How true this is

Trap speed is your most reliable and accuarate indication of actual power

Case in point my recent 12.7 @ 149 mph after I bogged bad racing Big Valley

Unless I drive my car backwards down the track its going 148 - 150 mph on every pass - no matter what the ET

The laws of physics are hard to refute with marketing talk and hype

[boostingevo8]

How true this is

Trap speed is your most reliable and accuarate indication of actual power

Case in point my recent 12.7 @ 149 mph after I bogged bad racing Big Valley

Unless I drive my car backwards down the track its going 148 - 150 mph on every pass - no matter what the ET

The laws of physics are hard to refute with marketing talk and hype

Al listen to what you just said, here I'll repeat: " Unless I drive my car backwards down the track its going 148mph on every pass"

I drove my car down the track ONE TIME, NOT TWO OR THREE or having ever launched an AWD car on the dragstrip before...all FWD only! Let me do another pass or two and then we'll see! I am going Friday.

[Dynoflash]

Al listen to what you just said, here I'll repeat: " Unless I drive my car backwards down the track its going 148mph on every pass"

I drove my car down the track ONE TIME, NOT TWO OR THREE or having ever launched an AWD car on the dragstrip before...all FWD only! Let me do another pass or two and then we'll see! I am going Friday.



good luck !

I am sure to answer your previous question that you would have run about the same times with a properly tuned Dyno Flash as Nick is a fine tuner and IMHO the tune is not your problem

the problem is those works cams which are not much better than stock

thats my two cents

PS - try using some race gas with higher boost - you may go faster

PPS - Check out HKS 272 cams

[boostingevo8]

good luck !

I am sure to answer your previous question that you would have run about the same times with a properly tuned Dyno Flash as Nick is a fine tuner and IMHO the tune is not your problem

the problem is those works cams which are not much better than stock

thats my two cents

PS - try using some race gas with higher boost - you may go faster

PPS - Check out HKS 272 cams

Thanks Al...agree 100% Yes I am getting these work cams out asap. Everyone with 272's/280's all dyno 315/330 whp....which is where I'd like to be myself.
Peace

[caymandiver75]

Thanks Al...agree 100% Yes I am getting these work cams out asap. Everyone with 272's/280's all dyno 315/330 whp....which is where I'd like to be myself.
Peace

Yeah the WORKS cams in the car are only good for 30hp. They were exactly right because prior to the cams going in the car dyo'd 260ish and after the cams was 290ish. I never planned on making more than 300whp so the WORKS cams were my choice since they did my original Software flash. 272's with other peoples flashes should give you over 300whp.

[RichJ]

Yeah the WORKS cams in the car are only good for 30hp. They were exactly right because prior to the cams going in the car dyo'd 260ish and after the cams was 290ish. I never planned on making more than 300whp so the WORKS cams were my choice since they did my original Software flash. 272's with other peoples flashes should give you over 300whp.

Isn't 30 whp about right for most cams? And aren't most Evo8s hitting 300 whp (Dynojet) without cams if you have a boost controller, turboback and ECU tune?

I'd go for mods like the O2 housing and 10.5 turbine housing before swapping out the Works cams if they have already been demonstrated to add 30 whp.

[boostingevo8]

Thanks Rich....I am leaning towards the 280's since I saw this just recently...
http://www.amstuning.com/amsevo/

The works cams are kinda mild (well real mild) There were numerous evo8's making the same power as me except they had stock cams! This one guy made 274 whp with just a DTM flash and MBC at 22psi...stock exhuast and everything, whereas I have TBE, 3 DP/no cat....crazy.

[RichJ]

Thanks Rich....I am leaning towards the 280's since I saw this just recently...
http://www.amstuning.com/amsevo/

The works cams are kinda mild (well real mild) There were numerous evo8's making the same power as me except they had stock cams! This one guy made 274 whp with just a DTM flash and MBC at 22psi...stock exhuast and everything, whereas I have TBE, 3 DP/no cat....crazy.

I don't think the Turbo Trix dyno with 280s helps you much. It's certainly not a before and after with cams. If anything, the 260-something dyno number for a stock car shows that the dyno reads high.

Search around on EvoM for dynos comparing 264s to 280s and I think you'll find that, with the exception of David Buschur who tunes with an AEM EMS, no one finds much of a gain on the stock turbo in making that swap (no more than 10 whp). Top Speed, a very well regarded tuner, actually lost power.

I stand by my previous suggestion to do the 10.5 turbine housing and the O2 housing first, particularly if you can do the install yourself.

[Mikey52]

I don't think the Turbo Trix dyno with 280s helps you much. It's certainly not a before and after with cams. If anything, the 260-something dyno number for a stock car shows that the dyno reads high.


Note the fact that they are showing uncorrected numbers and it was only 49 degrees that day. That's definitely going to skew the numbers a bit.

[boostingevo8]

Cool thanks Rich/Mikey52 I will go ahead with the 10.5 hotside and 02, UICP and then see the results.

Peace.

[Flat 4]

Well this was my first time at the track in over a year. This was also my first time lauching an AWD vehicle at the track also.....

I think I could have hit a 12.7 or so but my 60' ft wasn't there

R/T: .603
60': 1.899
330: 5.437
1/8: 8.341
MPH: 85.68
1000: 10.885
1/4: 13.002
MPH: 107.19

I only got 1 run in cause it was late when I arrived and then cars had problems leaking fluids on the track, etc.....
I failed to lauch on the 3rd yellow but felt as if my lauch was decent.....but if I had gotten a 1.7 60ft wouldn't I have been around a 12.7 or so? The weather was so cool...kinda wish I had gotten in that 2nd run....but guess it's not too bad for not ever having launched any AWD vehicle at the track in the past.

Really need to get a better 60ft for sure.
Peace

Nice run! 12s are 12s, but by judging your list of mods, especially with some serious hardware such as cams, I would expect your car to be trapping at least 110 mph.

I've run Cecil before and it cna be a bit slick on the line. Given a little bit more time to get some practice in launching, I'm confident that you'll hit a higher mph and et.

[boostingevo8]

Nice run! 12s are 12s, but by judging your list of mods, especially with some serious hardware such as cams, I would expect your car to be trapping at least 110 mph.

I've run Cecil before and it cna be a bit slick on the line. Given a little bit more time to get some practice in launching, I'm confident that you'll hit a higher mph and et.

Hey thanks Flat4.. I too am thinking the same as you about the traps which is why I am pointing toward the 269's in my car. I am going with a megan 02 housuing, UICP, & 10.5 hotside and see what happens before I buy other cams.

Hey man will you be coming out this Sunday....

[RichJ]

I wouldn't expect the UICP pipe to add anything powerwise. It looks nice, makes it easy to add an alky kit, and might marginally improve spool-up, but it won't help your trap speeds or dyno numbers. I have one, but more for looks than anything.

[4G63T]

good luck !

I am sure to answer your previous question that you would have run about the same times with a properly tuned Dyno Flash as Nick is a fine tuner and IMHO the tune is not your problem

the problem is those works cams which are not much better than stock

thats my two cents

PS - try using some race gas with higher boost - you may go faster

PPS - Check out HKS 272 camsIf your not properly tuned for race gas, i dont think it will change..

[Testudo]

If your not properly tuned for race gas, i dont think it will change..

If you up your boost to say 24 or 25 psi and mix in race gas youll make more power. You use the race gas to compensate for higher boost. If you put in race gas and dont up the boost you might have slower runs if you have a good tune, with little timing being pulled.

[4G63T]

I ran 100 oct crank boost 21 to 23 psi on stock 03 turbo result was similar
to 93 0ct at 21 psi on multiple occasion...

Same happened at MIR. a dcevoclub member put race gas on 93 oct tuned...
1/4 mi was slower...way back in 04. Obviously, not conclusive but i personally tried it w/ recommendation of both well known evo tiuner.

[DTM Nick]

If you up your boost to say 24 or 25 psi and mix in race gas youll make more power. You use the race gas to compensate for higher boost. If you put in race gas and dont up the boost you might have slower runs if you have a good tune, with little timing being pulled.
Unless the Throttle body charge temps GO DOWN, more boost with race gas does NOTHING. You are just trying to suppress the detonation point from the "hair dryer" at 24 psi

[DTM Nick]

Now put alky into the mix and you may have something there....

[Jacdariper]

hello,

well very good for someone who hasn't launched a awd before. i seen much worst! just concentrate on tree for a quicker but smoother launch. listen to the motor more and transition becomes much easier. jac