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HKS Evo VIII
11-30-2003, 00:51
For those of us that got the flash today and others dat would like a dyno pull....... we should have another meet day just for dyno pulls.......how about it??? I think the last week of december would be best or even january.... what do u guys think??
Chris from Cali
11-30-2003, 02:21
Al is planning on coming out every 6 weeks if needed. As for Agile, they will have their AWD software sorted by Dec 11th. After that, dyno runs are open season...
i spoke to both Al and Hill last night after everyone left. the "official" date for this is January 10th :)
again we need five flashes. so lets use this thread for testimony....
i'm very pleased with what Al did on my car :)
Chris from Cali
11-30-2003, 10:46
Al kicks ass - If I end up getting cams, etc., count me in for the next run. Either way, I need to get dyno'ed. Guys, if you are planning to keep stock but want a little more power, this is a deal. Al took a couple of stock cars and made them very strong. With a couple of bolt-ons, they were VERY strong. This is a very good system. Al's methodology and technique is safe and technically correct. I was skeptical, but after watching him in action, I'm a believer. I can't think of a less expensive way to make 30 hp.
Note - anyone know a good shop that can do a CLEAN install of an S-AFC II and an HKS EVC-5 in my glovebox? These, along with a fuel pump and cams, will make about 330-335 whp according to Al. :D
come on down to aaron's evo shop :)
Chris from Cali
11-30-2003, 10:56
Call me later to talk about it, sonny. ;)
This sounds like good news. I pulled out of the tuning session on the 29th when I arrived and found out the dyno was not ready for EVO's. A street tune might be just as good but I wanted the before & after dyno printouts. Count me in if a new dyno tuning day is scheduled.
i would but you never answer your phone grandpa
evo 8 ya
11-30-2003, 12:11
I'm down for some dyno pulls. This reflash is the shit. Al knows these cars inside and out. My car pulls so clean now all the way to redline. I'm going to get the EVC-5 for when we do the dyno pulls. It was great to meet you guys in person.
HKS Evo VIII
11-30-2003, 12:52
lol.... mine pulls alot of power up top now...... i'll have a downpipe n cat delete for the dyno pull after dat hks evc v !
HKS Evo VIII
11-30-2003, 12:56
i'll probably need another reflash in the summer.... =)
Al has confirmed for january 10th... i'll work out logistics and stuff with agile.
What i'm shooting for is dynoflash people will get the street tune, and then dyno's will be run all day long on the side also :)
quickshift
11-30-2003, 14:00
Ill be there for the dyno pulls :)
Dynoflash
11-30-2003, 18:35
The 10th of January looks great for me! We can do our usual street tune and then put the cars on the dyno to confirm the before and after HP numbers!
I'd like to get at least 5 guys lined up to make the trip feasable for me
BTW - did anyone take any pics yesterday?
Nice meeting you all - I am jealous - I wsh we had such a strong evo communty in my area !!!
It was very nice to do this at Agile - they are super nice guys and they have a really nice shop.
Couple things...
What exactly is a reflash? What does it do? How does it do it? Does it void the warranty? Is it detectable by the dealer?
Also... I think I'd probably like to come out, if nothing else then to just watch and meet some new faces! :D
HKS Evo VIII
11-30-2003, 21:37
it is not detectable by the dealer so no it doesnt void the warranty...... it bascially re programs your ecu and tunes various stuff like air/fuel ratio, eliminates fuel cut, raises redline to 7900rpms, etc.
I think its definitely worth it... my power band is smooth as butter now
go to dynoflash.com for details....
HKS Evo VIII
11-30-2003, 21:39
hey Al, great job on the tune! I hope to see your evo n get a ride next time we meet!
i have pics, i just gotta pull them off my digi cam
camdog17
12-01-2003, 15:45
Shoot me details...I'm MOST DEF interested!
alright here is the deal:
1. Al will come out if we get 5 flashes. So lets get some info of who will be getting flashed. for more info visit www.dynoflash.com
2. Agile auto will rent the entire dyno to DC Evo Club for 1400, for this price, we have complete control over the dyno, and who uses it, this includes dyno pulls for all memebers, and A/F ratios at request, as well as two techs to set everything up..
What do you guys think of this?
Good news! I think I will do it this time. I might have enough mods on the car by then to justify the re-flash.
Chris from Cali
12-01-2003, 17:40
alright here is the deal:
1. Al will come out if we get 5 flashes. So lets get some info of who will be getting flashed. for more info visit www.dynoflash.com
2. Agile auto will rent the entire dyno to DC Evo Club for 1400, for this price, we have complete control over the dyno, and who uses it, this includes dyno pulls for all memebers, and A/F ratios at request, as well as two techs to set everything up..
What do you guys think of this?
Well, I would keep the dyno rental in mind. Right now, Agile owes a bunch of us 3 free pulls. It is good to know if we want to do a club dyno day later on.
I just got me a bonus at work today, so count me in for a flash. I assume that includes some dyno time. Will the price be same as last time (~$530)? how much deposit due when?
ok i'll tell hill that we'll do individual time, for dyno's i'll get the prices for people that don't rate the free pulls
alright here is the deal:
1. Al will come out if we get 5 flashes. [...]
2. Agile auto will rent the entire dyno to DC Evo Club for 1400, for this price, we have complete control over the dyno, and who uses it, this includes dyno pulls for all memebers, and A/F ratios at request, as well as two techs to set everything up..
What do you guys think of this?
I think that $1400 is a little steep, $1000-1200 is more reasonable (unless this is a shop that sees non-stop traffic on the dyno every weekend?)
Also, I wouldn't assume that you are going to be able to put much more than a dozen or so cars on the dyno, unless we are going to be at it from 6am to 6pm. People are going to want before and after dynos, that takes extra time to swap cars on the dyno, etc.
Lac
i have pics, i just gotta pull them off my digi cam
That just reminded me the pics I took when you guys left from Tysons.. gotto upload them :D
And most likely, I will be down for the dyno on Jan 10th...
zstryder
12-02-2003, 02:32
Al kicks ass - If I end up getting cams, etc., count me in for the next run. Either way, I need to get dyno'ed. Guys, if you are planning to keep stock but want a little more power, this is a deal. Al took a couple of stock cars and made them very strong. With a couple of bolt-ons, they were VERY strong. This is a very good system. Al's methodology and technique is safe and technically correct. I was skeptical, but after watching him in action, I'm a believer. I can't think of a less expensive way to make 30 hp.
Note - anyone know a good shop that can do a CLEAN install of an S-AFC II and an HKS EVC-5 in my glovebox? These, along with a fuel pump and cams, will make about 330-335 whp according to Al. :D
If you're interested, I could do the SAFCII easily, the HKS EVC should be just like any other EBC (also doable). Do you plan on getting a Dynoflash? If so, the SAFCII will be pointless because the Dynoflash does what it does, but tons better!
Maybe we can have some kind of club "install fest", where we just do installs the whole day... I need to get my SS clutch line in...
I have a question about the Agile dyno. It looks like the EVO wheels are unweighted (drooped down) when it is connected to the 4 floor-mounted dyno units. Instead of being basically straight, each of the half shafts and CV joints are at the limit of their travel. Do they jack up the suspension when they run the car? If they don't, does it strain the driveline?
I am down with that idea - install fest :)
I'll be down for going and putting names with faces. I don't think I'll be able to do the reflash so soon, though! :o Oh well... maybe I can ride in a reflashed car to feel the difference. :D
Has anyone talked to a dealer about the stainless clutch line? Did they ask whether it would void the warranty?
The Dynapack Chassis Dyno is currently the most advanced chassis dyno available in the United States. It uses a hydraullic loading mechanism to precisely measure the torque being generated at the drive wheels. It's so sensitive that it can sense a change in power when the headlights are turned on!
The drive wheels are removed and special adapters are attached directly to the hubs. These adapters are then slid into the hydraullic loading pods and the car is ready to go! No straps and no tire slip to worry about! We then run the car and can accurately measure horsepower and torque, along with air/fuel ratios and boost. The control unit can then plot any of the four against each other based on time or rpm.
The Dynapack is a true load-brake dyno - just like the best engine dynos. We directly measure the work being performed, while others just estimate it. Since we have real hydraulic load brakes, we allow you to perform tests that simple inertia-dynos are incapable of. You can now have unprecedented control over the vehicle with a degree of resolution and precision that has to be seen to be believed. The modular design of the Dynapack also means it is portable and can be stored out of the way when not in use.
How does the Dynapack work?
The theory of operation and the implementation of that theory is actually fairly simple. It took several years and a lot of hard work however to make our dyno as simple as it is today. The hubs of the vehicle are directly attached to hydraulic pumps. We can apply a variable but precise load with all of the potential holding power that hydraulics possess. Simultaneously, we are monitoring pressures and measuring hub RPM, so we can determine the amount of work being performed. It sounds easy until you realize that all of these calculations are very complex and are happening very quickly. Add to this, all of the data logging functions and real-time full-color graphics that are also being calculated and you begin to realize that what appears to be simple is actually very complex. Being the best is never easy. Traditionally, most serious engine builders have thought that chassis dynamometers were inferior to the results you could obtain from a quality engine dyno. We have effectively attached engine dyno style load cells to the axles, so we now have the type of precision and repeatability normally associated with an engine dyno, but with the convenience and benefit of having the engine operate in its natural environment - which has enabled many of our customers to see better results than they were getting on their engine dyno.
I hope this answers your dyno questions
evo 8 ya
12-02-2003, 19:15
I have a question about the Agile dyno. It looks like the EVO wheels are unweighted (drooped down) when it is connected to the 4 floor-mounted dyno units. Instead of being basically straight, each of the half shafts and CV joints are at the limit of their travel. Do they jack up the suspension when they run the car? If they don't, does it strain the driveline?
I not sure why the dyno didn't work on sat. I had my car dynoed there 2 weeks before the reflash. They have done a few more all wheel drive dynos before that too. They don't have alot of experience with their dyno yet. But they have the dyno and that's the most important thing. Dyno packs are like $60,000.
zstryder
12-02-2003, 19:52
This is what Hill told me:
"Alex,
I have some bad news. I have been trying to get an Evo 8 to run properly on our dyno for the past day and a half. I put in a call to Dynapack and they said that they are aware of the problem and have created a fix so that Evo's and STi's can be dyno tested on our system. Basically the Evo and the STi use the same load frequency as the hydraulic pumps inside he Dynapack chassis dyno and this causes the drivetrain to chatter as the drive shafts violently twist and then untwist like a spring. While the drive shafts are strong enough to handle a minute for two of this kind of loading, I would not like to run any STi's or Evo's until Dynapack comes to install the fix around the 11th of December. I know we have bumped you around several times but in this case the problem is out of our hands. We also have to do road tuning for all the Dynoflashes we are doing for the Evo meet. Alan says that he actually prefers to street tune rather than use the dyno and he's in charge of the reflashes so all should go as planned. We apologize for our chaotic scheduling, but we will have to reschedule your SAFC tune for sometime in your Christmas break if you still need our services."
do we have 5 possibles for the dyno flash
I would rather have a tune on the dyno instead of a street tune. Nothing against Al's street tuning methods but I don't trust my perceptions (butt dyno). I really want before & after dyno sheets. I guess that doesn't fit into the plans as you have more mostly general purpose dyno runs so the flashers don't hog all the action. Bottom line, I'm in if it's a flash on the dyno otherwise I'll wait until next time.
do we have 5 possibles for the dyno flash
i may be interested if i have my DP by then... it's all up to AMS when they start releasing these damn things...
and the weather too... i'm not rolling down there in "slop"... :(
I would rather have a tune on the dyno instead of a street tune. Nothing against Al's street tuning methods but I don't trust my perceptions (butt dyno). I really want before & after dyno sheets. I guess that doesn't fit into the plans as you have more mostly general purpose dyno runs so the flashers don't hog all the action. Bottom line, I'm in if it's a flash on the dyno otherwise I'll wait until next time.
i concur... ;)
you can have it done on the dyno if you want, i'm gonna get mine done on the street....and then have my car dyno'd
I'll definitely be there... but no flashing or dynoing for me. :(
I'm still looking forward to it, though! :D
I'll definitely be there... but no flashing or dynoing for me. :(
I'm still looking forward to it, though! :D
do we have enough people that are willing to do this?
Chris from Cali
12-10-2003, 15:01
Agile owes me time on the dyno, so count me in for that... Also, consider that the weather might play a factor.
yes very true indeedy. I know that the members doing their dyno will be there. but i'm curious to see if al is going to be making it?
I'm definitely still interested in a flash. Apparently work finally realized that I'm underpaid and underapreciated and are coughing up a midyear raise, so i'm sure i'll be able to swing it.
I'm definitely still interested in a flash. Apparently work finally realized that I'm underpaid and underapreciated and are coughing up a midyear raise, so i'm sure i'll be able to swing it.
Congrats! I need a raise too ... but it seems 3 months on the job is not sufficeint to warrant a raise. Who made those rules?? I really would like to go, but i donno if its worth it for stock evo's? Obviously u get more gains thru the flash when u have mods, so is it better to wait after mods, or are the gains sufficient that hell I need a reflash mods or not. Bearing in mind i've got no raise :)
Also what will the prices be? Same as dynoflash website prices? And prices for dyno?
I'm definitely still interested in a flash. Apparently work finally realized that I'm underpaid and underapreciated and are coughing up a midyear raise, so i'm sure i'll be able to swing it.
Nice! Congrats! :cool:
the prices last time were 539, and for a stock evo, it would be worth it. 25 hp gain, most of the time. plug you get 3 pulls on the dyno. you can choose either dyno tune or street tune :)
Al has a new thread in the big forum about a Dynoflash day in Los Angeles on Jan 10.
hrmm, i'll contact him i'm sure it slipped his mind
Thanks for the support all, I'm very happy about it. As for the flash on the stock evo, I think its one of the best things to do, b/c this way you can get good gains for your $$ and keep your warranty, as it is undetectable by dealers. Except for a buschur intake and homemeade grounding cables, my evo is stock, and i plan to keep it that way to retain what crappy warranty i may still have. Only things I'll do before the warranty is up is reflash it and maybe get a gfb stealth BOV. after warranty expires, maybe i can go nuts on the car, but i figure i might have to save for a house, possibly a ring and stuff, so maybe not.
you can modify more than that without warrenty issues :)
like? and according to which dealer?
well according to federal law, do a search on magnuson-moss act
well its not gonna happen al said since no one posted interest in it on the big board, he's gone to schedule others...
so unless two deposits are paid, then he said he's not gonna show becuase this is 4 weeks away, so looks like my "planning skills" suck.
I'll pay one... I'll pm him on the big board letting him know. anyone else?
as for the warranty work, most of the other stuff I can do can be directly linked and related to any possible future problems, engine, tranny, etc. Mitsu is being too much of a pain in the ass for me to risk it... besides, that car is fast enough for me now, i think after the flash I'll have my hands full for a while.
Sucks that Al won't be coming to town. Are we still going to meet on that day if we can't convince him otherwise?
i'm not going there, i've canceled the meet so... do whatever
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